Okay, the whole "Devilishly handsome law student" does not point to the fact that mike is gay.. it points to the fact that mike said something that he deemed to be funny, then was a big enough loser to SUBMIT IT HIMSELF.
WHO ELSE WOULD DESCRIBE A PERSON ON HERE AS THAT??? Only Mike, and when he refers to wanting to pick up pissy pennies
Does any guy actually go into a washroom, think "That other guy is devilishly handsome", and remember that later?
The only time that would be acceptable would be if, at the same time, the rest of your Writing About Literature class were writing the midterm you just skipped.
Yes, a guy might actually go into a washroom, think "That other guy is devilishly handsome", and remember it later... if he's gay. Mike is probably gay, but that's not the "bigger story" since he's obviously comfortable enough with his orientation to talk about seeing a handsome guy in the washroom.
an Ivey grad faces much better job prospects than someone with a useless degree like women's studies.
Yeah, but they have absolutely no life skills that progress humanity. Scientists find cures for diseases, engineers build all of our shit. What do business folks do? Haggle? What the hell does that bring humanity other than a headache?
Who do you think finances, manufacturers and markets all those products and services you use?
What do you think generates the taxable revenue that funds social services and programs?
Who do you think is going to employ you after you graduate?
Capitalism is at the center of Western society. Saying that business does nothing for humanity is the most retarded thing I've heard this week, possibly month. Like it or not asshat, business drives the economy.
From your post though, I'm guessing you're some shithead social justice and peace studies student who thinks all corporations are evil and that we must "bring down the man".
From your post though, I'm guessing you're some shithead social justice and peace studies student who thinks all corporations are evil and that we must "bring down the man".
Since this describes 100% of arts and MIT students, 95% of social "science" students, and assorted others across campus, that's not surprising. God, I hate fucking leftists.
You have (a couple) good points but... what social services? Any social service that we have is complete bullshit and everybody knows it. I'm tempted to side with 12:33 because if every scientist and engineer in the world dropped dead and we were left only with business folks nothing would ever get done except bitching. Your pretentious attitude doesn't really help the Ivey reputation either, dude.
1:08 would have more of a point if he was in Europe, where businesses are taxed (pretty heavily) to provide money for social systems, which, from what I can tell from countries like Sweden and Germany are actually good. (ie the free tuition and healthcare systems that rate higher than ours). And OH MY GOD they're lefties and their economy hasn't collapsed. What are the odds. Businesses are still necessary though, unless you want to make all your shit from scratch and if you really do enjoy being unemployed and poor. It just pisses me off when, like 1:15, people feel like they have to jump on the "I'm in business so I need to be right wing and follow all the stereotypes" bandwagon. Same with arts and social sci people and being left wing (and seriously, I know so many right-wing poli sci people, so the "95%" thing really doesn't apply). There is middle ground, and you can be a mixture of both. -a centre/left pharm/tox student
Woah...when did the Social Justice and Peace program become large enough that it merits a diss on OAW?? As an SJP student, I think you'd be surprised to find a significant number of right-wing and/or pro-capitalist students in the program. They're sleepers, sneaking around in there, figuring out how they can be rw and pro-c but still be ETHICAL about it.
as I've said a millon times. Everyone makes a contribution. If no one cleaned toilets, no would use'em and we'd all be shit'n in the street. If no one designed those toilets, then we'd be shit'n in the street. And if no one sold those toilets then we'd be shit'n in the street. And if no one fought for the right to live in a clean and beautiful world, then we'd have streets full of shit!
Shit flies in everyone's direction. And you know what, everyone picks it up and throws it. No one has their hands clean. Not me, not you, no one.
Has university taught, any of you, nothing?
nothing makes you better than anyone else, but you know what makes you worse? Thinking you are.
11:10 - Here's a little tibit of inside information for you... the vast majority of wildly pro-Ivey comments that we post on here are deliberate satires of the common perception of Ivey students as arrogant douchebags. The truth is, there's a certain degree of comedy in posting "Ivey is better than all of you." and watching people think that I'm serious and swarm out with their chants of "death to Ivey!"
I don't actually think that Ivey is superior to other faculties. I was in social science before coming to Ivey and enjoyed the course content far more than calculating the weighted average cost of capital. The reason I came into the HBA program was because as much as I loved politics, psychology and philosophy, there's just not a huge number of jobs that will pay me well to actually apply that knowledge. It was largely a utilitarian decision.
Also, I think a lot of people talk out their asses about how pretentious Ivey students are without actually experiencing this alleged douchebaggotry first-hand. As someone in the program, I guarantee that the vast majority of Ivey students are not blackberry-wielding, "networking" assholes who talk only of their stock portfolios. I'm not going to lie... there are a select few who fit the stereotype, but most HBAs act the same as every other faculty and don't go around thinking they're better than everyone else.
Yes, a lot of my friends are in Ivey. But I also have an equal number of close friends in engineering, socialsci and science. I don't quite know where this whole "Ivey students only associate with other Ivey students came from". Whatever grain of truth there is in that urban legend comes from the fact that HBAs are given a fairly strict schedule that they all have to follow.
So no, in reality I don't think I'm better than any other faculty just because I'm studying business.
Unless, of course, you're in womens students, in which case I do laugh at the genuine uslessness of your major.
5:03 - Hitler thought he was better than other people... non-aryan people. hence the killing of the non-aryans... 8:24 - you do realize NO ONE voted for Kim Campbell, right?
You and your tiresome insistence on "the facts". I bet you "read" that tidbit about Kim Campbell in a "book." And we all know how reliable books can be. *snort*
The point isn't whether or not Kim Campbell ever actually went to Western or attended Ivey. The point is that to say so FEELS true.
So I'm gonna keep on saying it! "haha, stupid Ivey. You're all as useless as Kim Campbell..."
"nothing makes you better than anyone else, but you know what makes you worse? Thinking you are." This assertion makes sense only if you never apply it to real life. The actions of Person X can absolutely make them 'better' than Person Y. Or are you seriously making the argument that Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela and Gandhi were no better than Hitler? 5:03 PM
Thanks for illustrating my point. No, Hitler was worse than the others, but they were not better. If you can't understand that, then don't waste my time by replying. And people such as MT, NM, and G would NEVER say they were better than anyone. That's THE point. They may say, that their actions may have inspired others to do better, and acheive some personal grwoth etc, they may say that their actions had positive effects. They wouldn't say that they were indeed better, and carry more worth than others. The would say that they have made positive contributions in this world. They have led good, fulfilling lives. That doesn't mean you're better than anyone. Smarter, perhaps, happier, yes, more able to be at peace with you and the world around you, yes. These types of actions talk about who you are, and your character, not what you are, which can't be better than anyone else.
Diversity. Respect. Difference, tolerance and acceptance. If someone didn't work "below" you ivey people, then you coudln't be above them, as you all seem to want to claim. Someone has made a sacrifice for you to be where you are, and it takes a callous person to not only not realize that, but then turn around and call them beneath you.
Nelson Mandela wouldn't say that he's better than the average person, but if asked, I think he would agree that he's better than Hitler... and he'd probably be insulted by the question.
"The would say that they have made positive contributions in this world. That doesn't mean [they]'re better than anyone."
Dude, you're using "positive" here to assign a value to the type of contribution made by the person. Presumably the, you'd agree that people could make negative contributions as well.
I'll ask this sincerely, with as little snark as possible, if a person who contributes positively to the world is (in your opinion) no better than someone who contributes negatively... what do the terms positive and negative even mean to you?
And what's the difference between WHO somebody is and WHAT somebody is? Was your point that WHAT people are is uniformly human... and there is no such thing as better or worse this category?
Wow...I'm glad we all have such amazing interpretative skills after university. What I'm guessing the 9:31 poster meant was, that if you are arrogant enough to think that you are better than someone else (which comes along with snobbery, etc) than you can't be better, because you're already flawed in that respect. ie being humble > being arrogant and thinking you're the best. From an outside perspective, we can say that Ghandi is better than Hitler. But Ghandi wouldn't go around saying how superior he was because his business school was better than those worthless social justice and peace degrees. From his own perspective he was no better than any other human being; essentially he was humble, and that was one of the things that made him great. It's not that hard to wrap your brains around.
For those who think "other disciplines" are better than business, you might want to take a look at the stats of Ivey MBAs. We've got some scientists, lawyers, a ton of engineers, and even a doctor or two. What's wrong with wanting to supplement other training with some business skills?
This is what was actually said. The following excerpt was stated by 3:01 and is what was being responded to originally:
"nothing makes you better than anyone else, but you know what makes you worse? Thinking you are."
Note how there is nothing included about "saying" anything. The statement has nothing to do with a person bragging or being humble or otherwise. It simply says that NOTHING makes you better than anyone else - period.
By logical extension, doesn't this sentence (AS IT IS WRITTEN - not as it may have been meant, because I'm not a mind reader) mean that your actions cannot have any effect on your worth as a person? (Because if they did, good actions would make you better and bad actions would make you worse.)
Assume that nobody talks about what they do at all. Nobody is bragging or putting others down. Only consider the actions of the people. Can't you make an objective assessment of which person is "better" based on how they behave?
ie.) Aren't volunteers at a food bank BETTER people than those folks who swindle retirees out of their pensions?
And again, look only at their actions. Assume nobody brags or gloats or says any words about their actions at all. Can't a person be judged on the basis of their deeds?
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That's hot.
the bigger story here is mike is gay! haha!
The biggest story of all is that Ivey Sucks.
3:59, I like the way you think
1:45, everyone knows Mike is gay!
honestly who goes urinal fishing for pennies? Talk about when drug addiction runs out of control
Okay, the whole "Devilishly handsome law student" does not point to the fact that mike is gay.. it points to the fact that mike said something that he deemed to be funny, then was a big enough loser to SUBMIT IT HIMSELF.
WHO ELSE WOULD DESCRIBE A PERSON ON HERE AS THAT??? Only Mike, and when he refers to wanting to pick up pissy pennies
no, he actually is gay
submitter was the urinal fisher
3:59: How DARE you insult Ivey!
Well, I guess we'll have the last laugh when you're flipping burgers, putting that awesome visual art history or womens studies degree to work. LOL!
Does any guy actually go into a washroom, think "That other guy is devilishly handsome", and remember that later?
The only time that would be acceptable would be if, at the same time, the rest of your Writing About Literature class were writing the midterm you just skipped.
Yes, a guy might actually go into a washroom, think "That other guy is devilishly handsome", and remember it later... if he's gay. Mike is probably gay, but that's not the "bigger story" since he's obviously comfortable enough with his orientation to talk about seeing a handsome guy in the washroom.
11:37
Well, I guess we'll have the last laugh when you're dying of various toilet diseases since you pricks go urinal diving for pennies. LOL!
Two questions:
1. How did Mike know the guy in question was a law student?
2. Why are people assuming this law student picked up the change?
2:40 - your insult = just that, a pointless insult.
11:37 - that "insult" has hard truth to it... an Ivey grad faces much better job prospects than someone with a useless degree like women's studies.
an Ivey grad faces much better job prospects than someone with a useless degree like women's studies.
Yeah, but they have absolutely no life skills that progress humanity. Scientists find cures for diseases, engineers build all of our shit. What do business folks do? Haggle? What the hell does that bring humanity other than a headache?
12:33: you are so fucking dense it hurts.
Who do you think finances, manufacturers and markets all those products and services you use?
What do you think generates the taxable revenue that funds social services and programs?
Who do you think is going to employ you after you graduate?
Capitalism is at the center of Western society. Saying that business does nothing for humanity is the most retarded thing I've heard this week, possibly month. Like it or not asshat, business drives the economy.
From your post though, I'm guessing you're some shithead social justice and peace studies student who thinks all corporations are evil and that we must "bring down the man".
Idiot.
From your post though, I'm guessing you're some shithead social justice and peace studies student who thinks all corporations are evil and that we must "bring down the man".
Since this describes 100% of arts and MIT students, 95% of social "science" students, and assorted others across campus, that's not surprising. God, I hate fucking leftists.
the soul is the prison of the body.
Dear 1:08 PM
"Saying that business does nothing for humanity is the most retarded thing I've heard this week, possibly month."
Oh... really? so... you DON'T go to Ivey then?
6:17: Lame.
1:08 utterly destroyed 12:33.
1:08
You have (a couple) good points but... what social services? Any social service that we have is complete bullshit and everybody knows it. I'm tempted to side with 12:33 because if every scientist and engineer in the world dropped dead and we were left only with business folks nothing would ever get done except bitching. Your pretentious attitude doesn't really help the Ivey reputation either, dude.
I just don't give two shits about anything here.
I'll provide the mud if you provide the bikinis.
1:08 would have more of a point if he was in Europe, where businesses are taxed (pretty heavily) to provide money for social systems, which, from what I can tell from countries like Sweden and Germany are actually good. (ie the free tuition and healthcare systems that rate higher than ours). And OH MY GOD they're lefties and their economy hasn't collapsed.
What are the odds.
Businesses are still necessary though, unless you want to make all your shit from scratch and if you really do enjoy being unemployed and poor.
It just pisses me off when, like 1:15, people feel like they have to jump on the "I'm in business so I need to be right wing and follow all the stereotypes" bandwagon. Same with arts and social sci people and being left wing (and seriously, I know so many right-wing poli sci people, so the "95%" thing really doesn't apply). There is middle ground, and you can be a mixture of both.
-a centre/left pharm/tox student
I think the real story here is the title of this is frickin amazing.
why must every post be a ivey vs. the world fight
"why must every post be a ivey vs. the world fight"
ahahah, because all it takes is one insult and they get all pissy ...
Woah...when did the Social Justice and Peace program become large enough that it merits a diss on OAW?? As an SJP student, I think you'd be surprised to find a significant number of right-wing and/or pro-capitalist students in the program. They're sleepers, sneaking around in there, figuring out how they can be rw and pro-c but still be ETHICAL about it.
as I've said a millon times. Everyone makes a contribution. If no one cleaned toilets, no would use'em and we'd all be shit'n in the street. If no one designed those toilets, then we'd be shit'n in the street. And if no one sold those toilets then we'd be shit'n in the street. And if no one fought for the right to live in a clean and beautiful world, then we'd have streets full of shit!
Shit flies in everyone's direction. And you know what, everyone picks it up and throws it. No one has their hands clean. Not me, not you, no one.
Has university taught, any of you, nothing?
nothing makes you better than anyone else, but you know what makes you worse? Thinking you are.
-h.
"nothing makes you better than anyone else, but you know what makes you worse? Thinking you are."
This assertion makes sense only if you never apply it to real life. The actions of Person X can absolutely make them 'better' than Person Y.
Or are you seriously making the argument that Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela and Gandhi were no better than Hitler?
11:10 - Here's a little tibit of inside information for you... the vast majority of wildly pro-Ivey comments that we post on here are deliberate satires of the common perception of Ivey students as arrogant douchebags. The truth is, there's a certain degree of comedy in posting "Ivey is better than all of you." and watching people think that I'm serious and swarm out with their chants of "death to Ivey!"
I don't actually think that Ivey is superior to other faculties. I was in social science before coming to Ivey and enjoyed the course content far more than calculating the weighted average cost of capital. The reason I came into the HBA program was because as much as I loved politics, psychology and philosophy, there's just not a huge number of jobs that will pay me well to actually apply that knowledge. It was largely a utilitarian decision.
Also, I think a lot of people talk out their asses about how pretentious Ivey students are without actually experiencing this alleged douchebaggotry first-hand. As someone in the program, I guarantee that the vast majority of Ivey students are not blackberry-wielding, "networking" assholes who talk only of their stock portfolios. I'm not going to lie... there are a select few who fit the stereotype, but most HBAs act the same as every other faculty and don't go around thinking they're better than everyone else.
Yes, a lot of my friends are in Ivey. But I also have an equal number of close friends in engineering, socialsci and science. I don't quite know where this whole "Ivey students only associate with other Ivey students came from". Whatever grain of truth there is in that urban legend comes from the fact that HBAs are given a fairly strict schedule that they all have to follow.
So no, in reality I don't think I'm better than any other faculty just because I'm studying business.
Unless, of course, you're in womens students, in which case I do laugh at the genuine uslessness of your major.
I like 6:12. And yes, what the fuck does somebody do with a women studies degree other than bitch?
12:12 - an Ivey grad faces much better job prospects than someone with a useless degree like women's studies.
12:33 - Yeah, but they have absolutely no life skills that progress humanity.
What skills does a women's studies major bring to the table? Telling people to vote for Kim Campbell?
What a useless major.
5:03 - Hitler thought he was better than other people... non-aryan people. hence the killing of the non-aryans...
8:24 - you do realize NO ONE voted for Kim Campbell, right?
Kim Campbell didn't even vote for Kim Campbell. She's the Peter Criss of Canadian politics.
The general theme of these comments seem to have strayed to the direction of Ivey students sending Women's Lib. back to the stone-age...
I heard Kim Campbell went to Ivey. Let's hear an Ivey douchebag reply to that zinger.
Some zinger it is. Particularly since good ol' Kim was a poli sci major. And didn't even go to Western.
6:27
You and your tiresome insistence on "the facts". I bet you "read" that tidbit about Kim Campbell in a "book." And we all know how reliable books can be. *snort*
The point isn't whether or not Kim Campbell ever actually went to Western or attended Ivey. The point is that to say so FEELS true.
So I'm gonna keep on saying it! "haha, stupid Ivey. You're all as useless as Kim Campbell..."
"nothing makes you better than anyone else, but you know what makes you worse? Thinking you are." This assertion makes sense only if you never apply it to real life. The actions of Person X can absolutely make them 'better' than Person Y. Or are you seriously making the argument that Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela and Gandhi were no better than Hitler? 5:03 PM
Thanks for illustrating my point. No, Hitler was worse than the others, but they were not better. If you can't understand that, then don't waste my time by replying. And people such as MT, NM, and G would NEVER say they were better than anyone. That's THE point. They may say, that their actions may have inspired others to do better, and acheive some personal grwoth etc, they may say that their actions had positive effects. They wouldn't say that they were indeed better, and carry more worth than others. The would say that they have made positive contributions in this world. They have led good, fulfilling lives. That doesn't mean you're better than anyone. Smarter, perhaps, happier, yes, more able to be at peace with you and the world around you, yes. These types of actions talk about who you are, and your character, not what you are, which can't be better than anyone else.
Diversity. Respect. Difference, tolerance and acceptance. If someone didn't work "below" you ivey people, then you coudln't be above them, as you all seem to want to claim. Someone has made a sacrifice for you to be where you are, and it takes a callous person to not only not realize that, but then turn around and call them beneath you.
h.
9:31 - you are a fucking twit. Being worse than someone automatically implies that they are better.
I sense some douche philosophy student behind your post...
Nelson Mandela wouldn't say that he's better than the average person, but if asked, I think he would agree that he's better than Hitler... and he'd probably be insulted by the question.
"The would say that they have made positive contributions in this world. That doesn't mean [they]'re better than anyone."
Dude, you're using "positive" here to assign a value to the type of contribution made by the person. Presumably the, you'd agree that people could make negative contributions as well.
I'll ask this sincerely, with as little snark as possible, if a person who contributes positively to the world is (in your opinion) no better than someone who contributes negatively... what do the terms positive and negative even mean to you?
And what's the difference between WHO somebody is and WHAT somebody is? Was your point that WHAT people are is uniformly human... and there is no such thing as better or worse this category?
Wow...I'm glad we all have such amazing interpretative skills after university.
What I'm guessing the 9:31 poster meant was, that if you are arrogant enough to think that you are better than someone else (which comes along with snobbery, etc) than you can't be better, because you're already flawed in that respect. ie being humble > being arrogant and thinking you're the best.
From an outside perspective, we can say that Ghandi is better than Hitler. But Ghandi wouldn't go around saying how superior he was because his business school was better than those worthless social justice and peace degrees. From his own perspective he was no better than any other human being; essentially he was humble, and that was one of the things that made him great.
It's not that hard to wrap your brains around.
For those who think "other disciplines" are better than business, you might want to take a look at the stats of Ivey MBAs. We've got some scientists, lawyers, a ton of engineers, and even a doctor or two. What's wrong with wanting to supplement other training with some business skills?
Ghandi definitely wasn't better than the average man. He was an abusive prick to his family.
8:50 and 2:32
This is what was actually said. The following excerpt was stated by 3:01 and is what was being responded to originally:
"nothing makes you better than anyone else, but you know what makes you worse? Thinking you are."
Note how there is nothing included about "saying" anything. The statement has nothing to do with a person bragging or being humble or otherwise. It simply says that NOTHING makes you better than anyone else - period.
By logical extension, doesn't this sentence (AS IT IS WRITTEN - not as it may have been meant, because I'm not a mind reader) mean that your actions cannot have any effect on your worth as a person? (Because if they did, good actions would make you better and bad actions would make you worse.)
Assume that nobody talks about what they do at all. Nobody is bragging or putting others down. Only consider the actions of the people. Can't you make an objective assessment of which person is "better" based on how they behave?
ie.) Aren't volunteers at a food bank BETTER people than those folks who swindle retirees out of their pensions?
And again, look only at their actions. Assume nobody brags or gloats or says any words about their actions at all. Can't a person be judged on the basis of their deeds?
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