Thursday, May 11, 2006

"No, it's a fruit."

Guy #1: Did you know that Oxford Street Mosque was Ontario's first mosque, and Canada's second ever mosque?
Guy #2: What's a mosque? Is that like an animal or something?

-- Station Park Convenience, overheard by Marcus

37 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The title makes it.

Since I know what the next comment will be, I'll make it myself.

"I made it with your mom."

10:48 PM  
Anonymous Natasha said...

Guy #2 is an ignorant ass, and should be shot.

10:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

you'd be surprised at the number of ignorant asses in the world. it's staggering. But as shooting poeple is illegal (and would likely decimate our already shrinking population), I would propose patience and education for such ignorant people, with a grain of salt: many people are deliberately ignorant, in order to keep things the way they like to see the world.
To turn your own gun back on you, aren't you a little ignorant to be saying this about a conversation you never heard? If the guy's from rural parts, he may never have heard the term 'mosque', or had it explained to him.

11:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:43...

I'm sorry, but even if he is from "rural parts" that isn't an excuse. You'd have to completely avoid TV, internet, newspapers, school etc. not to know what a mosque is. Either that or be a complete tool.

Seriously, this guy is just as likely a moron from toronto as be a moron from buttfuck nowhere.

Either that or he was joking (I can only hope....)

2:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:43, DECLINING POPULATION?! are you fucking serious? Where the hell have you been? Have you never taken a history or stats or ANY class?! Our population is exponentially rising, which is why we're running out of resources. ASS. That's ignorance right there.

2:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

your dad's a fruit which is why your mom has to sleep around so much.

9:37 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Canada's population will be on the decline, because our birth rate is so low.

Why we're running out of resources is more complex than simple population growth. It also has to do with the overwhelming abuse of natural resources by "First World" states such as Canada and the US. We may have far fewer citizens than countries like India, yet we still manage to do more damage to the world. Though population is certainly a factor, lifestyle is as well.

12:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually 2:45....

the "population expolsion" hypothesis is about 20 years out of date.

Most of the developed world is now is negative natural population growth. Canada is only maintaining population levels because of immigration.

Even in the developing world, every recent study has population growth slowing, rather than growing exponentiallly.

(2:03)

3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:03 - I don't think it's impossible to avoid knowing what a mosque is. Or rather, being familiar with the word itself.

I've heard many people refer to a mosque as a temple, as it's a more generic term.

4:27 PM  
Blogger ka_boom said...

"Many people are deliberately ignorant, in order to keep things the way they like to see the world."

That's the best sentence I've read today.
dazz.

7:09 PM  
Blogger Azuregray said...

7:09 I echo that. But I'll add that I call many of them Republicans.

6:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't get why not knowing what a mosque is is such a big deal. A lot of people don't know what a Mandir is or a Gurdwara is.... yet that is okay.

1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:55-

There are as many ignorant liberals or socialists as there are conservatives or republicans.....ignorance and close-mindedness don't discriminate based on political affiliation.

2:13 PM  
Anonymous Natasha said...

2:03 - Thank you, for you make an excellent point, but I fail to understand the reference to Toronto. I am from Toronto, and I am certainly not a moron. And secondly, being from Toronto is even more reason for someone to be aware of the term 'mosque'.

1:03 - You don't think ignorance is a big deal? Especially with everyone coming together on such a global interface?

4:17 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:17-

I wasn't trying to insult Toronto-

my whole point was that a person who is dumb enough not to know what a mosque is could be that dumb regardless of where they are from; whether a rural area or a big city (Toronto being the easiest example).

I hope this clears things up....

-2:03

4:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:17 - I don't think 1:03 was saying that ignorance isn't a big deal. (at least that's not how I interpret it)

I think 1:03's point was the same as 4:27's -- the technical name for a particular place of worship does not imply ignorance. If someone knows that Muslims have a place of worship, what difference does it make that they don't know what the place is referred to? Same goes for a Hindu place of worship, or a Christian place of worship, Jewish, Sikh, etc.

I speak as a Muslim here - a lot of Muslims are oversensitive. Have some fun with life and laugh at the silliness of the comment.

4:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Um, 4:17..."global interface"?
What are you talking about?

10:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ignorance is universal

and 10:43 PM is a terrorist.

11:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

your mom's a terrorist

3:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I terrorized your mom last night.

3:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3:29, because THAT'S something fun to joke about.

8:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I guess this guy has only heard of a synagogue...

10:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe instead of calling this guy ignorant, we should blame the fact that Canada is overly dependant on Christianity. Subsequently, everyone in Canada only knows religion, and spiritual issues, as they relate to Christianity.

Let's be honest, we live in a very Christian-centred world (look at the lyrics of our National Anthem, or the fact that the government pays for Catholic educational experiences through the Catholic School Boards, but ignores all the other religions)....

Perhaps his ignorance isn't the problem, but instead the overrepresentation of Christianity in Canadian culture.

10:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

um, who cares?

lighten up... everyone is ignorant.

10:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Perhaps his ignorance isn't the problem, but instead the overrepresentation of Christianity in Canadian culture."

uhh...considering that about 75% of Canada is christian (albeit mostly non-practising) it's hard to say that christianity is overrepresented...but i agree that this doesn't excuse ignorance of the larger world....

12:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:35 - You're a complete tool.

How does "Christianity being overrepresented" having anything to do with this one person's ignorance?

By your logic, all atheists should be thoroughly ignorant of any and all religious customs, since your assumption is that Christians only care about religion as it relates to them. Atheists, on the other hand, don't care subscribe to any religion. So that must mean that most of them are equally clueless as to what a church, mosque, synagogue etc. are.

Clearly this isn't the case, since there are plenty of atheists - and Christians - who have a good understanding of other religions.

Your post has to pass for the most illogical, non-sequitur attempt at a religion-bashing threadjack I've seen yet on OaW.

2:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, so it's a church then?

8:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

10:35

I agree with you everyone is ignorant, atleast about something. Anyone that says different is just a moron who thinks they know all.

7:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:40 - Check your definitions. Atheists subscribe the the belief that there is no God, which is just as much a set of beliefs as Christianity.
An agnostic is the one who doesn't believe one way or another because they believe it is impossible to know if there is a God or not

6:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:36 - 2:40s definitions are fine. S/he says "atheists don't subscribe to any religious beliefs." If you ask an atheist if they're religious, they'll say "no." And there are no churches specifically for the "atheist faith".

1:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're simply defining atheism. Of course they don't have churches, because they believe there's no God to pray to, so what would be the point? To scam people out of their money?

The fact that their belief about religion is that there is no God does not mean that they have no beliefs. They don't have to be religious, either. I would imagine that a lot of Christians don't go to church every week or read the Bible regularly, but they're still believers in their faith. One need not follow a faith devoutly to believe in it.

The difference between atheism and agnosticism is small, but distinct, and it is common for people to misconstrue agnosticism as atheism, but if I pointed to the animal you know as a giraffe and said, "Hey, look, a zebra," you'd probably correct me, too. And if a million other fools believed me that it was a zebra, that still wouldn't make me right. The definition of the word is what it is, regardless of how it is misused in society.

-6:36

2:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to your question: How does "Christianity being overrepresented" having anything to do with this one person's ignorance?


I'll give an example. I knew of a girl who immigrated from somewhere in the Middle East (I cannot spell it properly enough to do it justice.. whatever). And in that culture, homosexuality was the worst of the worst.. so you didn't see gay people. Anyhow, When she came to Canada, she didn't even know it was conceivable because she was immersed in such a heterosexual culture.

My point is this: some people only see religion as "Christianity" because they have not been exposed to any other type of religion. Therefore, they might make ignorant statements like "All relgious people believe in Jesus"... which is clearly NOT true...

Canada started as a VERY Christian centred place ("God keep our land.. glorious and free.. Ooooh Canada, we stand on guard for theeeeeee").. so what I'm saying is that perhaps it is not ***completely**** their fault.. but partially the fact that Christianity is overrepresented in Canada, and understood as the "main religion" (which, if I heard correctly, is no longer true?)

does that make more sense?

Signed lovingly,
the complete tool

4:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

your mom is a complete tool

10:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:28:

The reason the christianity is so prevalent in Canada is that a majority of Canadians still self-identify as christian (whether or not they attend services is a whole other matter).

Christianity isn't "overrepresented" ; it is the religion we hear about the most in Canada, because it is the most common one here.

I'm not saying that this is right or wrong; but you can't call something "overrepresented" when a majority of the population still believes it. I mean, is the english language "overrepresented" because it's the one you hear the most on T.V. in this country?

Besides, that still doesn't excuse people (presumably university students) not knowing what a mosque is.

5:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey 5:10... check your stats.. they're not current

oh, and sorry to burst your utopic bubble.. but university students are STILLLLL fuckin' ignorant

12:30 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 12:30,

My stats are correct.

For the 2001 census (the last one for which data is available; they only happen every 5 years)

Of a population of roughly 30 million in Canada, more than 12 million people identified as catholic, 8 million as protestant, and 1.2 million as "other christian". This means that we have 21.2 million self-identifying christians in a nation of 30 million.

Last time I checked, this qualifies as a "majority".

In global terms, Christianity has slightly fewer than 2 billion adherents, or slightly less than 1/3 of the global population, (an estimate, obviously) Islam ranks second, at roughly 1.4 billion.

............

Now as to your other comment:

Read my post again. I'm not living in a "utopian bubble". I didn't say that there ARE NOT ignorant university students (if I thought such a thing, I'd be quickly persuaded otherwise), I said that there ISN'T AN EXCUSE for it.

Ignorance is rarely excusable generally, and sure as hell is not excusable for people who spend time on a university campus, where they have access to information about the world every day.

I'm not "utopian"...I just don't make excuses for people.

-5:18

8:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't care what religion you adhere to... as long as we can all agree that the slaughter of the Ugg wearers is a just and noble cause that will further the fundamental rights of all human beings.

-Bob, the UGG Conquerer

6:24 PM  

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