Wednesday, February 08, 2006

Rudeness? Rudeness is definitely free...

Christian Girl: Excuse me, are you planning on going to our talk tonight?
Girl #1: What is it on?
Christian Girl: (Starts to hand her a card) It's called, Is anything free?
Girl #2: (Loudly) It's one of those Jesus people! Walk Away!
Girl #1: Uhhhh....

The two girls walk away; Christian Girl looks hurt/confused.

-- UC Hill, overheard by Nadine

75 Comments:

Blogger Hollywood said...

Ha ha ha! Amazing!!!

3:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i'm all for loving your fellow man and everything.... but those jesus loving nutjobs are just a bit too much for me.

3:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i've gotten stopped 4 different times by those guys asking me to do interviews and such. Can't a guy just eat in peace.

4:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, those Jesus people can be over-zealous....it especially bothers me when they try to conceal their agenda behind a seminar title....but still, the least she could do is smile and say "no thanks"....

5:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh was that tonight? hmmm where is it?

5:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

North Campus Building 101 at 7pm.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not a fan of pushing your religion onto others.

6:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm not a fan of pushing religion onto others, not being a christian myself. I am also, however, not a fan of rudeness.

6:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was reading the gazette in social sci and I had two guys asked me if there were any Religion-oriented topics I wanted to get off my chest. luckily they weren't as insistant as the jahova's whitnesses

7:04 PM  
Blogger Nadia said...

yesssss that was great ^^

While that was rude, I don't think it's right for them to stand around and ask everyone to go and give out pamphlets. I feel intruded upon.

7:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Then..... don't take one. These groups have as much of a right to simply offer you something as the vendors or any other organization on campus. I am sure that if it were a group offering half-priced drinks or anything like that, there would be a much different response. A very simple "Thank you, but no" always does well with these folks, and you save yourself from looking like a douchebag (a word, might I add, has yet to make an appearance here on Overheard, as far as I know). I'm not a big fan of being stopped - my time is hardly valuable though - but it isn't that big of an inconvience.

7:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:37 . . .i couldn't agree more!

to all you jesus-bashers above. .how is it rude to hand out a pamphlet? i've been handed condoms before during AIDS awareness on campus. should i have felt intruded upon? should have run away from those weird "aids" people? come on this is university - a place of diversity. if pple started talking this way about race. . we would really be in trouble. by the way. . its black history month

7:56 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I totally agree with the comment above. They have as much rights to be there sending their message on to others. If you are not interested in it, then don't say anything or say "no thank you" and walk away.
Don't be jerks!

9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about my freedom of religion? I have the right to NO religion, so why should I have to hear allllllll the time about how much someone loves Jesus? I don't care.. and it offends me, and my personhood!

10:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I ain't one to jump on bandwagon's so I won't. I think religon shouldn't be advertised in class like collect food for the homeless etc. I can't stand those "jesus freaks." And my only reason is this:

if we didn't live in a free society, and they ruled, they'd kill us all. all of us who don't believe in their faith and find god thro jesus. that just rubs me the wrong way. They even have the arrogance to say that those who don't take jesus as their savior wont get into heaven, yet at the same time they stand in circles and pray for us all! they'd kill us if they had the chance. that is a fact. and that's why they is Jesus Freaks!

10:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

[begin skepticism]

People feel more intruded being offered religious paraphernalia (as opposed to free booze) because it's one of those deep subjects that arouses a lot of confusion, anger, hate, etc. which causes people to feel uneasy.

It's obvious there's not one CORRECT religion, so the fact that we all came from [insert random religion here] is crap.

The funniest thing is some of the more violent, unforgiving, selfish and rude people I've come across in my lifetime usually have a crucifix dangling from their neck - men and women both.

So it seems obvious that through all the worshipping and teachings, they are learning nothing whatsoever. So what's the point? Who knows.

And that's coming from me being raised roman catholic for the first 10 years of my life.

Those that seem to be good at heart throughout most likely didn't need a lot to push them in that direction in the first place.

10:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just so we're clear with some of the above posters:

Trying to get others to go to a religious-oriented seminar, likely with the objective of proselytizing, is the same thing as trying to make sure people don't get STIs or promoting Black History Month?

Okay, good. I just wanted to be clear.

10:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"What about my freedom of religion?"

I hate to tell you this, but somebody giving you a pamphlet is not infringing on this right.

And while I'm not a big fan of the pushiness that can be displayed, I'm sure there are more polite ways to handle the situation.

11:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Welcome to *tolerant* Canada; this girl was hardly pushing her religion. Where did she start threatning the other girl or intimidate her? If the Feminazi Group was having a talk and advertising an event on how men must die, I'm certain half the comments on here would not be made. You must be a bunch of model citizens...

11:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SHEEDY FOR PREZ!

11:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

okay 10:40,

You are seriously paranoid.

"They'd kill us all if they had the chance"

WHAT?

What on earth are you basing that on?

Would you say that about ANY religious group, or chrstians in particular?

Yes, it is true that there are some extremely violent religious fanatics in this world. But to suggest that people are violent based on the fact that they hand out pamphlets is insane.

All that the "jesus freaks" were doing was handing out pamphlets about a cause that is important to them and that they believe makes the world better. This is the same thing that dozens of other political/religious/activist groups on campus do all the time.

If they were obtrusive in doing so, then that displays bad manners, but that is entirely a seperate issue.

The point: The "jesus freaks" while tiresome and occiasionally obtrusive, aren't doing anything wrong. The should be treated with the same basic standard of politeness as everyone else.

11:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am an atheist, but I have friends who are Christians. They're only my friends, though, because they respect me enough not to breathe down my neck about their beliefs.

I have been approached on campus for this recent event. I said, "No, thanks." They persisted. And I've had this happen to me before. I've sat on a park bench with a friend and have had Born Against approach me with pamphlets and refused to go away for twenty minutes.

Oddly enough, I have yet to get such rude behaviour from people with condoms, or from people promoting awareness about their culture, or from "feminazis".

By the way, if you (11:14 pm) are ignorant enough to actually believe what you have written, I will quickly convert to something so I can start praying for your pathetic soul.

11:46 PM  
Anonymous big and bold said...

This is a free country. People have the right to express their faith or lack thereof in any way possible, provided it doesn't infringe on other basic human rights (free speech, security of person, etc.). What Girl #2 said was a form of discrimination against free speech and freedom of religion.

Whenever atheists whine about "having beliefs forced on them" they are always complaining about Christians, not Muslims nor Jews nor Sikhs nor anyone else. There's a reason for this: Christianity (particularly its Protestant sects) is the ONLY major religion whose main goal is to SPREAD THE WORD and CONVERT as many non-believers as possible. This is how many Christians practise their faith, and it is unacceptable for them to be criticized and discriminated against because of it.

Yes, they can be pushy. Yes, they can be rude. Do you have to listen to them? NO.

One more thing: As far as I'm aware, the majority of atheist whiners come from Christian backgrounds. I've rarely heard a Jew or a Muslim complain about "beliefs being forced on me". Would it be a stretch to say that those who are most uncomfortable with evangelism are lapsed Christians themselves, who have struggled with their faith in the past?

12:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Would it be a stretch to say that those who are most uncomfortable with evangelism are lapsed Christians themselves, who have struggled with their faith in the past?"

No it wouldn't, but it makes perfect sence. Maybe this is true because they've given it thought before and don't need to hear a rehash of lessions from their youth.

12:39 AM  
Anonymous Leah said...

wow...
i can't believe how rude and jouvenile some people can be.
*sracasm*let's all act like 10 year olds and put down other people's religions! :D *end sarcasm*

honestly, nothing makes me more sick to my stomach then hearing about these kinds of incidents when people just can't be polite enough to say "No thanks"... they have to be childish and give a retort that sounds like it comes from the mouth of a grade school child. not to mention the fact that she was completely rude towards any followers of the religion.

what ever happened to respect and class?

oh, that's right: it's Western... there's no such thing as respect and class.

1:41 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The lessons we learn at 10 are hardly the same when we revisit them at 20 or even 25. Let's not all be too hasty to throw out everything we thought we learned for good before we reached the age of 12. Otherwise, I would still think that tapered pants were a good idea... *shudder*

Kidding aside. Personally, if Christianity is distilled into "Love the Lord with all your heart" and "Treat others as you would like to be treated", then I have no problem with Christians. Christians can lose perspective, and sometimes they seem to be completely off their rockers, but it doesn't do me any harm to cut them some slack and walk away politely.

1:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I myself am Catholic, but I worship my religion in the way I feel most comfortable. So yes, I believe in Jesus, etc etc. This is MY problem - These "Jesus Freaks" bother me, because they're too pushy, and incredibly elitist. I once attended an Acquire the Fire weekend retreat, to have a more learned opinion of these folks. I was told that if you weren't Christian, you were going to burn in hell. I was stared down, and made to feel inferior, because I don't feel you need to read the bible to be religious - again, remember, everyone has their own spin on religion, and they way they worship it. Point is, I AM Christian, and yet the fact that my opinions slightly differed from theirs, made me inferior to them. Not to mention the fact that they passed around buckets for money and papers to sign away monthly donations to teenagers, and made them feel they'd be terrible sinners if they didn't donate; but that's just the Acquire the Fire instiution, so it's on a tangent from my point. I wouldn't agree with Jews or Muslims or any other religion pushing their religion onto me, telling me to come to their meetings as forcibly as these "Jesus Freaks" do - but they DON'T. I'm all for spreading morals and just being a good human overall, but a religion, and personal beliefs? No. Sure, they have a right to "worship" this way, if you consider spreading the word worshipping. But it infringes on my right to walk through campus without having an obscure paper shoved in my face, by the above said people.

3:10 AM  
Blogger ka_boom said...

Just my 2cents on things mentioned thus far. If it matters to you, keep in mind that a) I was raised a Christian (Pentacostal) but b) I no longer call myself a Christian; take those statements as you like.
And now, my thoughts:

"I don't think it's right for them to stand around and ask everyone to go and give out pamphlets. I feel intruded upon."
-Isn't this like the advertising we see everyday on buses, newspapers, flyers, TV, radio, internet, etc. etc. Always around us and always wanting us to buy something? Just an observation

"I don't think it's right for them to stand around and ask everyone to go and give out pamphlets. I feel intruded upon."
-That has to be one of THE most ignorant things I've heard said in a long long time. I'm very curious as to what you're basing this on, that Christians want to kill all non-Christians? That goes directly against one of the two main things Christians are supposed to do! (No details on this cause I don't want to preach, but look up The Great Commission if you feel like it).

Those are really the only 2 comments I felt the need to express my personal opinion on. Otherwise, in general, the reaction of girl#2 in the overheard quote was very rude and possibly ignorant. Thumbs down for her. *shakes head*
dazz.

3:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Religious People,

The reason you get so defensive is because you fear your mass delusion will be shattered.

Signed,
Sigmund Freud

8:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think there are really two issues here.

The first is the actual merit of christian beliefs and the evangelical expression of them. This is basically a matter of personal belief and tolerance for the beliefs of others. Christians have the same right ot express their beliefs as everyone else. period.

The second issue, however, is the manner in which they do so. If they harass people for twenty minutes at a time (which some of you seem to suggest they are), then that is rude, obtrusive, and unecessary and you are completely entitled to tell them forcefully to back off (though I hope it wouldn't come to that).
In contrast, if all they are doing is handing out a pamphlet, then the response should begin and end with "thanks" or "No Thanks".

There is no "right" not to be handed a pamphlet any more then there is a "right" to to be exposed to advertising for booze, parties, or used cd's.

"Why can't we all just get along?"

9:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Crusade for Christ and the Vagina Monogue girls are the two things that are advertised on campus that annoy me, the rest I don't mind.

While I agree that the Christians in general are polite and non-confrontational there are some that aren't, and those ones make me hate all of them in general. I don't like to have to make a decision when walking down the path to either go near them and risk one of them being the annoying judgemental not leave you alone type, or just steer clear of them. I think they'd annoy less people if they just set up a table with clearly labeled signs and let interested people come to them. It's highly unlikely that they will change anyone's religious views with a pamphlet anyways.

As far as the monologues, I just hate how they decide it's ok to waste my valuable class time on their advertising (I've had to sit through their speach 4 times already) And I especially don't like how when you tell one of them who happens to be waving a flyer with a vagina on it, or any number of other ways they've tried to get my attention over the years, that you aren't interested or don't aggree with their ads or whatever they
call him a woman hater, or accuse her of subverting the Woman's freedom movement and being responsible for the objectification of women........I agree with the cause. I just seriously think these girls need to calm down.

10:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

VAGINA!!!!!!
VAAAAGIIIIIINAAAAA!!!!!

Sorry, I just had to get that out of my system.

Signed,
Coochie McMuffenheimer

11:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is a message to 3:10. I completely agree. I, myself am I devote Christian... raised in the United Church. I would like to point out that I have never had the urge to "kill" a non- believer as 10:40 would like to believe. I have also never handed out papers or tried to push my religion on anyone. I've brought my boyfriend to church on Christmas and my brothers confirmation and I was not angry when he didn't take communion. The majority of my friends are Athiests... and I don't care. I was however offended when I read this quote because not only was Nadine laughing at the fact that a Christian had just been insulted, but she assumed everyone else would too

12:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm laughing pretty hard. And y'all need to calm the fuck down.

Whether corporate, club, or christian, if you're willing to risk publicly harassing students with flyers and pamphlets to promote your cause, you're implicitly risking comments like "It's the Jesus people! Walk away!"

If Girl 2 had punched the Jesus person in the face, it'd be a different matter. The fact is, she called them "Jesus people".

This isn't rude. It's true. It's funny. It's appropriate.

Suck it up.

- J

1:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:31 - Nadine? And yeah, I'm kinda thinking that if you're all beginning to compare religion to advertising, and that it's an "okay" thing, then there's a problem... Christianity whoring itself out? Yep. (I'm Christian myself, so no, I'm not a "religion basher".)
-3:10am

1:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the 36th comment... perhaps THAT is why this chick posted this?

it's funny that soooo many people are commenting on it!

2:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

honestly though, the club is just trying to get the word out whats wrong with that? and i hear that they're giving away $2500 for tuition with this seminar.. so heck i'd go just to try to win the money!

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow it's pretty bad when they have to bribe you to come to their religion HAHAHAHA

3:20 PM  
Anonymous Sunwheel said...

I was however offended when I read this quote because not only was Nadine laughing at the fact that a Christian had just been insulted, but she assumed everyone else would too

Oh, come on. Christians are funny, especially when they have just been insulted. Not as funny as liberals or socialists, mind you, but funny.

5:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:49: that is exactly the problem with the pamphlets being handed out, its too close to blatant marketing/advertising.
I'm on exchange in England now, and every time I walk to class I have to dodge about 10 other students handing out ads to come to their bar/club that nite. At the beginning of the year I didn't really care, but after 5 months?? I tell them to fuck off now. I don't enjoy being harassed at 9am. By anybody.
I think 80% of the world is Christian. The necessity to advertise so blatantly as to stand by a door at the back of a lecture theatre (which I remember many doing during my first two years) where people can't possibly avoid you is rude and imposing, and furthermore, not necessary. The church has plenty members as it is.
It was rude of this girl to react this way. But maybe it was the third class that day that she had been forced to say no. I was polite to the advertising people at first, but honestly, after about five times, you stop caring about politeness.

6:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please don't judge all Christians by the ones that harass you in the halls. As a devout Christian myself, these people annoy me just as much as they may annoy you, precisely because they only perpetuate this warped view of Christians as pushy Bible-thumpers. When it all comes down to it, Christianity is about love. God loves us and saved us and we want to show that love to others so they can understand it to. Many of my friends are not Christians and I never push my religion on them because I respect that they don't have the same beliefs. At the same time, they know how important my views are to me and they respect that. Painting all Christians as rude and pushy fanatics is no different from saying that all Muslims are violent in reaction to the recent comics in Europe, when in reality many Muslims around the world are reacting in very contructive and non-violent ways. Bottom line: please have some respect for people and their beliefs. Stereotypes like those shown in these comments only promote hate and discrimination.

6:04 PM  
Anonymous new joiners welcome... said...

I'm thinking of starting my own religion -- westernismty. We worship haute couture, furry boots, big hair and are equally rude to EVERYONE.

We are having an upcoming meeting on campus and you will have a chance to win $2501.00

Please attend... or we will stalk and hunt you down and grind with you at the club.

7:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I think 80% of the world is Christian."

You're a little high on that. And by a little, I mean a lot. Think of all the other major religions. Buddhism. Islam. Hinduism. (To name a few.) They have huge legions of followers all over the world.
According to this site:
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
Christianity is about 33% of the world, or 2.1 billion people, followed by Islam at 21%. I don't know how accurate it is, but it's a lot closer than 80%.

I guess my point is there isn't one single majority religion on the planet and each and every adherent to each and every religion needs to understand that not everyone believes the same thing that they do. It's up to people to decide for themselves what their beliefs are, and tolerance should be the most important of any of them.

For the record, I was raised Christian and have my own personal relationship with God which isn't anyone's business but my own. I don't go to church and I don't read the Bible. And I will never tell anyone what they should or shouldn't believe.

One more point: a lot of people confuse the meaning of the word atheism. An atheist is someone who believes there is no God. If you just don't believe at all, you are more likely agnostic.

Props to 7:03.

7:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BAHAHAHAHAHA
last comment: hilarious
point goes to 7:03

7:05 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The church has plenty members as it is.

Right...and that's why the Catholic diocese of London (and its surroundings) is closing thirty-five churches this year.

In North America, the numbers are steadily declining.

9:27 PM  
Blogger ka_boom said...

"While I agree that the Christians in general are polite and non-confrontational there are some that aren't, and those ones make me hate all of them in general."
-Okay... so, as a black person, I understand that most whites are reasonable and not racist but since there are a handful of whites that are racist bigots I should hate all whites? That's some MESSED UP logic.

Oh, and on my last post from last night I accidently copy&pasted the same quote twice. The 2nd one was supposed to be the one by the person who said that All Christians would kill every non-Christian if they had the chance... you probably got that by my comment on it, but just clarifying my mistake. I was probably tired out from reading all the comments in this thread.....

dazz.

9:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just as not every Christian is a Bible thumper, not every non-Christian is a rude and intolerant individual like Girl#2. (As demonstrated by the comments.) I'm sure the Christian Girl realizes that when handing out flyers, she will encounter rudeness. It's in the job description.

I thought it was funny how rude some people can be. That's the point of this website anyway.

11:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

people need to just let each other have their own beliefs.

in some religions, it is a fundamental part of their belief system to proselytize. and i don't really mind the people that just offer you and pamphlet, i just politely decline. what bothers me are the people who don't leave you alone for 20 minutes, which i have unfortunately experienced on more than one occasion. but i don't condemn all people of that religion as a result, nor do i condemn all people who proselytize.
they have the right to free speech, but i have the right not to listen.
i like the idea of these people making their information clearly available in a few designated places, because i agree, it can be irritating being approached so often. but when you're approached by different people each time it isn't fair to take it out on the 5th or 6th person that approaches you having no idea that you have already been approached.
now, to those who believe all christians are crazy "jesus freaks"/want to kill all non-christians: that is the most ignorant thing i've heard in quite some time. of course there will be fundamentalists in any religion but they are a minority in most religions so you can't legitimately judge an entire religious group based on their beliefs/actions, and they're definitely a minority in christianity. i myself am not a christian, however most of my friends are and none of them have ever attacked me about my beliefs, and they've definitely never threatened to kill me unless i devoted my life to christ.

- t

ps - 7:03, you rock my socks right off my feet :)

11:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

so anybody who died before Christianity was invented went to hell?

7:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am finding it seriously hilarious that there seems to be a consensus in these comments that saying "It's one of those Jesus people! Walk Away!" is basically the same as if the girl had spat in the Christian's face. She was not polite, but seriously, she said "Jesus People." Come on.

9:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and here we are at 51 comments... wow.. does this actually beat the UGG boot discussion?

what about if they had said something about an UGG BOOT WEARING CHRISTIAN...

imagine the chaos!

10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kill this discussion!!! You wanna argue religion? find a message board! enoughs enough.

11:01 AM  
Anonymous thePopeisaBigot said...

Dear 9:27 PM,

Handing out pamplets and bribing people with 2500$ is NOT going to solve that problem. If anything, it just shows the desperation of the church and really just turns people away.

After all, Why would I worship a religious organization (roman catholic in this case) that is known for backwards thinking, molesting choir boys and saying using a condom will get you a one way ticket to hell. I personally think the churches problem is NOT a lack of believers, but a lack of confidence in the CHURCH. Personally I am a catholic. However I do not believe in any Church or Organization telling me what I should and shouldn't do as well as saying I should attend them and give them money.

11:11 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

fyi the whole "God and $2500" seminar was not Catholic focused in the least. >very different belief system

11:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yea, Catholics are all about you giving money to the church, not the church giving money to you.

I'm finding this thread rather like a train wreck. It really sickens me to read it, but at the same I seem completely compelled to continue reading.

We are supposed to be people of higher education, yet it seems that people truly cannot take a step back from their emotions on the subject and look at it from an objective standpoint. Yes, Girl #2 could have been more polite, but at the same time I don't think people really appreciate being tricked into getting into a discussion about Jesus as seems to be a popular tactic of many of these Christian groups. I mean most groups are completely straightforward about what they're advertising, a bar, a political party, a seminar on some subject. I think it's very telling that this group feels the need to disguise what they are promoting and offer a big bribe to come to their seminar.

Moral of my story, if you wanna confront me, confront me with conviction. Don't try to hide your message or bribe me to come to your seminar. If your arguments are truly that convincing then people should be lining up around the block to hop on board with your religion/political party/bar event/random seminar.

12:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I agree that the "hidden agenda" sales tactics of some religious groups are offensive (and all too common), there is absolutely no way that handing out pamphlets qualifies as confrontation.

Treat them as you would any other sales people; decline politely and ignore them.
If the same people (not different people from the same group)persist in harrassing you, just say clearly "I'm NOT interested" and walk away.

Really, this is stuff that people should've learned how to handle by now.

12:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its not about religion, its about not beign a nitch and hurting someone elses feelings

1:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

*bitch

1:10 PM  
Blogger ka_boom said...

"but at the same time I don't think people really appreciate being tricked into getting into a discussion about Jesus as seems to be a popular tactic of many of these Christian groups"
"I think it's very telling that this group feels the need to disguise what they are promoting and offer a big bribe to come to their seminar."
both quotes by the same person.

My thoughts: although not nearly as ignorant as some of the things posted in the comments thread thus far, it was still off enough for me to comment on.
Their meeting this week was not "disguised" nor did it employ any form of "trickery". If you are actually surprised that Jesus will be talked about at an event entitled "God and 2500$" organized by "Campus Crusade for Christ", then I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and hope you just didn't notice the words GOD and CHRIST in the promotions. It seems rather obvious and I don't understand how someone can feel they were "disguising" anything...
As for trickery, they were upfront about the 2500$ draw. I got one of their flyers and it said that the draw would be done at the beginning then you could leave if you wanted; they stated that they did not want to make ppl stay until the end for the draw if ppl did not want to hear the message.
So I went to this event. I walked in the door, got my raffle ticket, sat down, chatted w/the person next to me, the MC welcomed us, told us the itinerary for the event, then the draw was made and some guy at the back won 2500$. Then there was a short break so that everybody who wanted to leave could do so. I chose to stay, as did about 2/3 of the crowd I'd estimate. The speaker was funny and made you think, had a Q & A period at the end, and the whole thing wrapped up just over an hour after I walked in.
Please show me where the trickery and elements of disguise are to be found in that?
dazz.

1:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ok both sides... i am laughing at you... for getting so uppity... you all need to spend your time on better things... like having sex with sheep to name one...

7:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^you must be a Guelph student

10:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

God loves everyone!

It's totally the individual's choice as to what he/she wants to do with their own lives. Ultimately you have to foget about what others think you should do and investigate it for yourself.

We aren't around this earth for that long. Nothing remains constant except for God's love. It never falters.

12:24 AM  
Anonymous anonymous law student said...

I'm coming in on this discussion a little bit late, but for the record, private citizens don't owe you Charter rights anyway. Provided there's no law against their actions, you can't take any kind of legal action against private citizens for anything that they may do just because you see as a restriction on your freedom of expression, religion, or anything else enshrined in the Charter. In the legal sense, your rights can only be infringed upon by the government.

1:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
Its not about religion, its about not beign a nitch and hurting someone elses feelings

1:08 PM


Anonymous said...
*bitch "

wow.. way to lead by example.. your use of "bitch" offends me, and HURTS MY FEELINGS

10:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can we get a new quote already shhesh

3:53 PM  
Blogger Archie said...

Interesting discussion. Several good points here and there.

I just wanted to say that I am in Campus for Christ and one of those "Jesus freaks" that occasionally hand out flyers and do surveys with people. I apologize to those of you who felt offended. Especially the person who was approached for 20 minutes after saying "no thanks". We really try to emphasize open discussion and listening sincerely to other people's beliefs. We emphasize not pushing with people who aren't interested so I am sorry that whoever talked to you didn't take no for an answer. That is definitely not what we encourage. Fair complaint indeed.

10:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

dazz,

I think you've really misinterpreted what I was trying to get at. Yes, in this instance if you took the time to look at the flyer that they handed out you would clearly see that it was a Christian group trying to get people out to discuss religion. I was not, however, refering just to this one incident. I have had many experiences where Christian "Crusaders" (for lack of a better word at the moment) have attempted to engage me in very long conversations seemingly having nothing to do with religion before they bust out the "well Jesus and the bible teaches us...." This is the "trickery" that I am refering to.

I would however like to commend you for taking the time to go see what the seminar was all about. I find it very refreshing that someone around here is actually trying to get all of the facts before making a true decision as to how they feel about the subject. Good on you!

a man of many opinions

11:52 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Man, this is one out of control thread, so naturally, I had to add to the chaos!

I have my own little story about these seemingly innocuos pamphlet hander-outters:

My roomate lived in Essex Hall last year. For those of you that don't frequent that end of campus, in the warmer months of the year, the street corner directly across from Essex (on the concrete path near the athletic facilites), people with a religious message usually stand there to hand out flyers.

Well, my roomate was offered a flyer. She was raised Jehovah's Witness, but refuses to participate in the religion whoring process, and believes everyone has an equal right to their own religious beliefs. The man standing at the corner offered her a pamphlet. She politely said "no thank you". He then told her that she and everyone in her family were going to hell because she didn't want his stupid pamphlet. He was pretty explicit and direct about it, too. She was forced to stand on the sidewalk and listen to this jerk while she was waiting for the lights to change so she could escape. She was polite to him still.

She was in tears when she came back, this guy was so abusive.

Not that it's right to be rude, but some of these people really piss me off.

Every time they hand me a piece of paper it's almost like they're saying "here, I don't want to throw this out, will you do it for me?"

I got no problem with people expressing their religion, if they do so quietly and non abusively. Making someone cry and feel uncomfortable because they don't believe what you do is utterly unacceptable.

1:06 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I got no problem with people expressing their religion, if they do so quietly and non abusively."

Exactly.

The same goes for people who turn down the pamphlets.

I think it's called "civility".

11:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Civility is overrated.. or at least that's what your mom said last night when I had her tied up for some super-rough raunchy sex

9:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the guy who won their 2500$ scholarship is using it to hold a kickass party apparently. aka a way to 'stick it' to jesus.

12:32 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Umm...11:17, are you saying that this girl deserves to be harassed on the street corner because she politely declined a religious pamphlet?

I'm not really sure if that's what you're saying. I hope not. I frequently decline pieces of paper that I don't want, like adverts for random bars, or people running for the USC, or that guy handing out paper for his kegger. I don't think that to be civil you need to accept everything random strangers hand you. Do you save all of your paper adverts, or do you just throw them all out when you get back?

1:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

1:13:

Of course that wasn't what i was saying.

All I meant was that if it was offered politely, people should decline politely. There's nothing wrong with offering or declining; the problem is with unecessary abuse. I turn things down constantly.

Of course harassing people on street corners is wrong.

11:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I personally enjoy when you're walking down Richmond St. in a drunken stupor and there are groups of Mormons passing out flyers and praying for you VERY loudly. Hilarious.

8:48 PM  
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